Pierre You & Madeleine Juste

Pierre You

Pierre was from La Rochelle, France,(89) more specifically the St.
Sauveur district of La Rochelle, Aunis, Charente-Maritime.(90) He came to
New France as a Lieutenant, and became associated with La Salle. He was
with La Salle when he took possession of the Mississippi Valley in the
name of the King of France on March 13 and 14, 1682. As a result, in 1683
he received the title Sieur de la Dcouverte. This was accorded him in
the official government acts, in which he is titled "officer in
Louisiana".(89)

An alternative or supplementary explanation is that the name "Sieur de la
Dcouverte" attached to his name indicates that he probably had a large
parcel of land given to him by the King of France or by the King's
representative in New France. Such names were often used in the signing
of legal documents and church records to attach importance to the name.
They were often preceded by the word 'dit' (also known as) and many times
the original surname was dropped and the 'dit' name became the official
surname.(90)

After fathering a child with Elizabeth, Pierre returned to Montral,
leaving her behind, and married a new arrival from France.(89) Pierre and
Madeleine's marriage licence was obtained in Montreal on Oct 13, 1697,
and recorded by notary Antoine Adhemar. They had five children. At some
point in the 1600s Pierre became a fur merchant. In 1704 he became a
voyageur, signing an Engagement (a contract) on April 29, 1704 go west to
trade with the Indians for furs. Thereafter he fathered two more children
out of marriage. (91)
Research Notes


BIRTH: Pierre's birthdate is confirmed with the place given only as
France.(89)

MISC: One source indicates that in 1677 Pierre was sergeant of the
garrison at Fort Frontenac.(91) This appears to be in conflict with the
information that he came to New France as a lieutenant.

QUESTION: He is reported to have been titled "officer in Canada" in
1685.(91) Does this mean he returned to Canada, and then went back
south? What was the extent of Canada at that time?

MARRIAGE: Pierre's marriage to Madeleine JUSTE and the place of marriage
are confirmed with no date given.(89)

89. H.C. Burleigh, Jean Richard , U.E. of Isle Tant and Prince Edward
County.

90. E-mail, Paul Cavalier, Dec 1999. Paul's sources are (1) Ren Jette,
Dictionnaire genalogique des familles du Qubec des origines 1730:
1550-1730, 1983, Universit de Montral, Montral PQ. Photocopy in
possession of Paul Cavalier. (2) L'abb Cyprien Tanguay, Dictionnaire
genalogique des familles Canadiennes: 1550_1850, 1871, Montral,
reprinted 1967, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co. Photocopy in
possession of Paul Cavalier.

91. *Ren Jette, Dictionnaire genalogique des familles du Qubec des
origines 1730: 1550-1730, 1983, Universit de Montral, Montral PQ,


Pierre was from La Rochelle, France,(89) more specifically the St.
Sauveur district of La Rochelle, Aunis, Charente-Maritime.(90) He came to
New France as a Lieutenant, and became associated with La Salle. He was
with La Salle when he took possession of the Mississippi Valley in the
name of the King of France on March 13 and 14, 1682. As a result, in 1683
he received the title Sieur de la Dcouverte. This was accorded him in
the official government acts, in which he is titled "officer in
Louisiana".(89)

An alternative or supplementary explanation is that the name "Sieur de la
Dcouverte" attached to his name indicates that he probably had a large
parcel of land given to him by the King of France or by the King's
representative in New France. Such names were often used in the signing
of legal documents and church records to attach importance to the name.
They were often preceded by the word 'dit' (also known as) and many times
the original surname was dropped and the 'dit' name became the official
surname.(90)

After fathering a child with Elizabeth, Pierre returned to Montral,
leaving her behind, and married a new arrival from France.(89) Pierre and
Madeleine's marriage licence was obtained in Montreal on Oct 13, 1697,
and recorded by notary Antoine Adhemar. They had five children. At some
point in the 1600s Pierre became a fur merchant. In 1704 he became a
voyageur, signing an Engagement (a contract) on April 29, 1704 go west to
trade with the Indians for furs. Thereafter he fathered two more children
out of marriage. (91)
Research Notes


BIRTH: Pierre's birthdate is confirmed with the place given only as
France.(89)

MISC: One source indicates that in 1677 Pierre was sergeant of the
garrison at Fort Frontenac.(91) This appears to be in conflict with the
information that he came to New France as a lieutenant.

QUESTION: He is reported to have been titled "officer in Canada" in
1685.(91) Does this mean he returned to Canada, and then went back
south? What was the extent of Canada at that time?

MARRIAGE: Pierre's marriage to Madeleine JUSTE and the place of marriage
are confirmed with no date given.(89)

89. H.C. Burleigh, Jean Richard , U.E. of Isle Tant and Prince Edward
County.

90. E-mail, Paul Cavalier, Dec 1999. Paul's sources are (1) Ren Jette,
Dictionnaire genalogique des familles du Qubec des origines 1730:
1550-1730, 1983, Universit de Montral, Montral PQ. Photocopy in
possession of Paul Cavalier. (2) L'abb Cyprien Tanguay, Dictionnaire
genalogique des familles Canadiennes: 1550_1850, 1871, Montral,
reprinted 1967, Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co. Photocopy in
possession of Paul Cavalier.

91. *Ren Jette, Dictionnaire genalogique des familles du Qubec des
origines 1730: 1550-1730, 1983, Universit de Montral, Montral PQ,
cited in E-mail, Paul Cavalier, 1999. pp. 983, 1136.

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MG 6 - A 2 1714, avril, 23 Item Fonds des Archives dpartementales de
la Charente-Maritime; La Rochelle [France]
Series Etude Menon: Rivire & Soullard , 3E

Engagement pour 4 annes de Jacques Begault (s)*, 21 ans ou environ,
natif de Chasnoillet [Chagnolet], paroisse de Dompierre, auprs de Pierre
You de Ladescouverte (s)**, officier dans les troupes de la marine et
aide-major de la ville de Montral; engagement pour l'aller servir ou
autres le reprsentant

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Madeleine Juste